Hey guys,

as a heads up as soon as I can find the time I will be removing WH systems map/kills endpoint. This is data that exists in the API but not the client and is incredibly powerful. As with everything I am open to discussing this, but I will admit that you will have a damn hard time convincing me of not doing it.

OMG! WTF dude... this is removing the KILL COUNT! This has NOTHING to do with your ability to generate maps with siggy and such. i don't know where this confusion is coming from but yea... no... keep making your maps, thats fine, I don't care. Thats cool and everyone at CCP, that I have talked to, is cool with that.

What we are not cool with is you guys have the number of pvp kills, pod kills, and NPC kills for systems and the historical information on that.

Big difference. But yea, guess you can go back to pen and paper if you want.

Null sec is allowed to because by design that information should be there. By design this information should NOT be in WH systems.

So.. as the former API guy and member of Team Bifr+¦st, the team that made the wormhole space; You were never supposed to be able to see this data. If it's not in the client it cannot be in the API because the same information should be available to everybody playing this game. Nobody is supposed to get a decisive advantage because they have access to data other people have no means of availing themselves to.

The fact that we screwed up and forgot to sanitize the API calls does not change that design.

Now stop being mad at FoxFour, he's a delicate lotus blossom. You can be mad at me for forgetting this in the first place when I was creating WH Space and thus giving you false expectations. Please direct all angry rants to [email protected].

Thank you and have a nice day!

And I am reading every post in this tread, along with a few other threads that have been spawned. You are right though, not nearly enough of us at CCP play in WHs to have a complete picture of things so all of this feedback is important.

:D such door, much rage, so old :P

so honestly, and be as honest as you can about this, how much does this data benefit you in Whs as an attacker? How much does it really help finding fights right now that you couldn't figure out another way.

You guys will just end up replacing this data with data from zKill for PvP information, so really the biggest loss is historical data about NPC kills. So OK, you jump into a system check this data, see when people are active, and ready a log off trap. That is, from what we here can tell and what we get told by people we talk to.

Thats... thats not a good enough reason for me to leave this data. It's a huge advantage to you as an attacker and gives nothing to the defender. If you want to do that kind of thing you should have put eyes on this kind of intel yourself or just take the risk of logging your stuff off and maybe getting nothing.

Frankly, you guys who are kneejerk posting in this thread are supplying more and more reasons why the change should go into effect. It's pretty clear from skimming the last couple of pages that abuse of this gap in the information provided between the eve client and the API was widespread. Given that the design goal of the API is to not expose information that would otherwise be unavailable, it's extremely unlikely that the change will be reversed. CCP has already gone to extreme lengths to keep this the case in the case of the AssetList.xml.aspx call lying to the API consumer in the case of a mobile siphon unit.

In other words -- take your lumps like a man, Pvt. Twinkle Toes.